Okay, I am expecting big things tonight! Yep, things on the scale of "Flashes Before Your Eyes," "Man Behind the Curtain," "The Constant," and "The Shape of Things to Come!"

In fact, if Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Rose, Bernard and anyone else back on the beach weren't shown at all tonight, that'd be just fine with me. Just give me some John Locke and some solid story tellin', and I'm all yours, LOST!

So buckle up that wheelchair, Mr. Locke! Here's hopin' for a bumpy ride!

:)
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  • bundt
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    Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 5:11 PM
    Anyone want to bet on how John gets duped in this one? I mean, since every Locke flashback involves him getting fooled by someone. ;-)
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    • Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

      Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:47 PM
      So, to answer your question, Bundt, (albeit post-viewing) it looks like Locke's big dupe this time was Abbadon convincing him that he must go on a walkabout. Yes, yes, go to the Outback! So now we know that John was manipulated by Widmore's people into going to Australia, thus positioning him to be on a wrecked flight and finding his way to the Island. I'm also thinking the walkabout tour dude who denied Locke his walkabout must've been in on the plan. Instructions: *No matter what, that man IS NOT to go on the walkabout! He must board a plane bound for LA!!!*

      :)

      I loved the episode and just like the other ones I mentioned in the first post of this thread, it raced by! The only thing I wish we'd seen more of was what happened to Locke after he was solicited for science camp. Did he recall that Alpert was the same man who'd tested him as a child? Wasn't he curious about the "camp?" Or did he really just ignore the whole situation and attempt to go about a dull life in customer service?

      It sure seems like Claire is dead...either that or Christian hooked her up with some fat bud. Wonder if we'll ever get a Christian Shepard backstory? He shows up at the strangest of times and there is NEVER any explanation.

      Ahh...LOST...
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    Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 5:40 PM
    Can't wait...my "little birdies" are calling this episode, "mind-melting". Now that's-a spicy meat-a-ball! :-D
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    • Supr...
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      Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

      Thu, May 8, 2008 - 8:20 PM
      OK, spoilers are starting!




      Keamy beat up Micheal....I love Keamy!

      So many "Fuck!" moments in this episode! I frucking love this damn show!
      Albert showing up at the hospitol when John was a baby.
      Criky! Albert was probably driving the car that ran over John's mom!
      And then what's his name....the orderly...."you'll owe me one." hummmmm.
      Jack thinking he needs to follow the beacon...no Jack! just say no to lemming-ness!
      So, sad when the doctor was told about his death and all he could say was, "but I'm the doctor...." haha!
      Clair is so dead and psychic boy knew it all along.
      Poor teenage Lock! could we have expected anything more? Creepy about the "camp" I wonder if Ben was "chosen" while the island was waiting on Lock. Poor creepy Ben. I wonderif the island made Ben's mother go into premature labor so that he and his dad would show up there.
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        Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

        Thu, May 8, 2008 - 8:51 PM
        So where are they going to move the island??? Tunisia...
        How did Claire die then? Has she been dead the whole time... I'm lost on that one.
        This episode did completely rock though!!!! I love lost!!!
        No way is Ben letting Locke control things now, he is totally working him.
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        • Andalee
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          Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

          Fri, May 9, 2008 - 6:39 AM
          Maybe claire is like a deer after it gets hit...it goes through something traumatic and then is able to get up and run into the woods to die. She went through that massive explosion...maybe she died from internal injuries and wandered off to die in the woods.
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            Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

            Fri, May 9, 2008 - 9:17 AM
            in keeping with the "through the looking glass" theme, i think claire died the moment christian led her off. the moment we saw aaron lying in the bushes, we knew it was all over for claire, right? no other way she was going to leave him unless she was dead. i'm imagining the losties will find her body eventually...but not for a long time, while we wonder what happened - though i don't think "how" she died is as important as the fact that she is now obviously one of the island's minions.

            does anyone remember what christian said to her when he led her off? i need to rewatch that episode. i *thought* he said something about leaving aaron, but i may be misremembering backwards :-)

            hmmm, what does this mean in terms of alignment? if the psychic told claire she was to raise aaron, does that mean the psychic was not on the island's side? or was it reverse manipulation? or did someone "get" to the psychic, since he then found her a couple to adopt aaron, insuring she got on O815...maybe the psychic died and became one of the island's minifestations...
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              Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

              Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:40 AM
              > does anyone remember what christian said to her when he led her off? i need to rewatch that episode. i *thought* he said something about leaving aaron, but i may be misremembering backwards :-)

              Christian didn't say anything, iirc. Claire woke up and found Aaron missing, then looked over and saw Christian holding Aaron as a grandfather would, then she said "Dad?" and then they cut to commercial or to another scene. The next time we saw that group, she and Christian were gone. She didn't say anything else until John found her in the cabin.
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        Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

        Fri, May 9, 2008 - 1:57 PM
        Supreme, I love that you love Keamy! How unexpected!

        :)
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          Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

          Fri, May 9, 2008 - 4:43 PM
          How can you not love someone who bitchslaps Micheal? Would not want to be in an elevator with keamy....Kevin Durand YES!...but you have to appreciate when jackass character gets knocked around a bit. (-:
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          • Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

            Fri, May 9, 2008 - 4:53 PM
            I just can't get any pleasure out of Keamy beating Michael. Michael did some fucked up shit but at least he did them because he was desperate and not thinking straight and wanted to do whatever he could to save his son. He at least has shown some remorse for doing what he did. Keamy on the other hand is just a mercenary who would probably torch his own grandmother for money. There doesn't seem to be a single redeemable quality about him.

            It was interesting to see that the island is still not done with Michael since the gun couldn't kill him.
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  • Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:21 PM
    God I love Richard Alpert. When are we going to get to know more about that guy?
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    • Sonya
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      Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

      Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:40 AM
      @Yuni

      We actually learned quite a bit about Alpert in this episode...

      1) We learned that he occupies a place in Others/Hostiles society comparable to that of the Panchen Lama in Tibetan society: His job is to find the next incarnation of the Dalai Lama. (The test with the objects was like that used to make the determination of whether or not a given child is the Dalai Lama reincarnated. Ref: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchen_Lama )

      2) He and the Others/Hostiles have been using "Mittelos" in Portland for longer than there's been a DHARMA Initiative.

      3) IMHO, he screwed up Locke's test. Locke was just being a curious kid and thought the knife was kewl, and Richard had a knee-jerk reaction to the possible "chosen one" seeming to select a weapon. My evidence for this is Mittelos' attempt to correct the mistake by recruiting John Locke again as a teen. This strong reaction also probably resulted in Locke's current-day knife fetish. :-P

      4) He's appeared to be the same age for even longer than we thought. He's either nigh-immortal or (loathe though i am to say it) has been time-traveling rather extensively.

      All that said, I can't really blame you for wanting more.

      @Ivy

      Where do you get that Alpert ever recruited for DHARMA? We've only ever seen him recruit for the Others/Hostiles.
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      • bundt
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        Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

        Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:52 AM
        > 3) IMHO, he screwed up Locke's test. Locke was just being a curious kid and thought the knife was kewl, and Richard had a knee-jerk reaction to the possible "chosen one" seeming to select a weapon. My evidence for this is Mittelos' attempt to correct the mistake by recruiting John Locke again as a teen.

        Totally agree. He needs to remember that a weapon is also a tool.

        > 4) He's appeared to be the same age for even longer than we thought. He's either nigh-immortal or (loathe though i am to say it) has been time-traveling rather extensively.

        I'm definitely on the long-life team here. I don't think there is any accurate time-travel method that could put him in the right places in time.
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          Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

          Fri, May 9, 2008 - 12:24 PM
          See, I didn't read Alpert's test of Locke as a Lama test at all.

          I saw anger or fear in Alpert, as if Locke was a threat. Maybe I'd better watch again!
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            Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

            Fri, May 9, 2008 - 4:06 PM
            @Ms. Em
            <<See, I didn't read Alpert's test of Locke as a Lama test at all.>>

            The key line there is the one about how John selecting the items that belonged to him *already*, meaning that he was the reincarnation of the previous owner. This, BTW, is *exactly* how the Dalai Lama is found in each generation by the Panchen Lama.

            <<I saw anger or fear in Alpert, as if Locke was a threat. Maybe I'd better watch again!>>

            I think there was anger in that Locke handled the knife after the vial of sand and the compass, kind of like someone in Vegas seeing the slot machine give them multimillion jackpot, multimillion jackpot...lemon.

            At this point in his history, as well as the point at which he met Ben in the woods of the Island outside the DHARMA sonic fence, he seems very averse to violence and conflict. He visibly winces at Locke picking up the knife. He presses young ben about the word, "hostile": "Do you even know what that word means?"

            This also *really* puts a new spin on Alpert handing Locke the file regarding his father to help Locke achieve Ben's assigned labor for him and help him ascend to his rightful place among the Others (and notice that he basically fed Locke a way to do what he needed without actually murdering anyone himself?).
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      • Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

        Fri, May 9, 2008 - 4:50 PM
        @Sonya

        I was asleep and posting apparently.

        Already explained above.

        :P

        LOST at 10PM on a school night is not a good thing for me. I was actually already dozing when the episode started, but fortunately it had enough gusto to rattle me back to consciousness...at least for the duration of the show...though clearly not for long after.

        Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
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  • Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 12:00 AM
    [The moment this episode finally aired here in Alaska has come at long last; I pity the poor bastards in Hawaii who must wait another two hours for it to air.]

    This is the most disturbing episode ever, for me, in a couple of different ways. Now I must (in all honesty) add a young John Locke to my erotic fantasy about Boone and Karl playing naked together in the surf, splashing each other with coconut milk, and licking it off of each other all hot and sweaty in the tropical warmth and golden sunlight. OK, so now they are a _threesome_ in paradise!

    John Locke just jumped several quantum leaps in my esteem for him (and not just because his younger self is ultra-hot). To reject the false council of a devious malmentor at such a young and vulnerable moment takes real cajones and strength of will. Coconut milk galore from this one, umm-hmmm. Go Locke!

    Kudos, too, for Ben in recognizing when to step back and not be lead dog. This is actually the first moment when I see clear and unequivocal evidence Ben is actually Jacob's (the Island's) faithful servant rather than acting at least partly out of ego and personal desires for self-aggrandizement and personal gain. Ben, here, has surrendered to whatever larger design is present, even though it means he is discarded (he thinks) and his beloved daughter is indeed actually dead. Ben's bitterness at Alex's death is arguably the most authentic and moving part of LOST to date, IMHO. I was moved, at least, but then I do have a daughter I love with all my heart and soul yet who half the time regards me much as Alex regards Ben (she does soften her evaluation when I take her to Black Rock).
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    • slinted
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      Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

      Fri, May 9, 2008 - 12:50 AM
      Seeing a broken and dejected Ben felt like either a) the most authentic and 'real' handling of loss on the show to date or b) best manipulation evah! Either way, I'm hooked.

      This episode was by FAR the densest episode this season, definitely this year's 'The Man Behind the Curtain'. Heaping piles of backstory, creepy cabin (Claire!? Say it ain't so!), and a trip to the Dharma mass grave: What more could you ask for?

      The scene between Richard and young Locke (a nod to Tibetan Buddhist tulku reincarnation ritual), especially Richard's reaction, caught me completely off guard. I'm not sure what I expected to happen, but that certainly wasn't it :)

      Great stuff! Head exploding!
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        Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

        Fri, May 9, 2008 - 4:28 AM
        My God...my head is still reeling from this episode. It was fantastic all the way through...definitely one of the best yet. I've always liked John and for a long while there he was kinda annoying and just acting plain crazy, but Cabin Fever brought him to the foreground and the flashbacks gave him more depth andinsight into his mysterious character.

        Now on to the questions and observations:

        Yay Richard! Loved seeing him again looking exactly like he is trapped in time, forever young with his cool eyeliner look. But what was that test of "pick the items that already belong to you"? Immediately I said to myself, it's the knife...but as we saw, that was the wrong answer. You could see Richard's disappointment and almost hear the buzzer that signified "Thanks for playing and goodbye". Itlooked as if he wanted young John to pick the "Book of Laws". What was in tha vial...some kind of grain? Sand? And why was John chosen to begin with...was it simply because he defied the odds of surviving at birth?

        Looks like John was being followed by the powers that be for his entire life. I now wonder if everything he has been through was somehow orchestrated...meeting dear ol' dad and losing a kidney to him, takng that fall from 8 stories up and becoming parlyzed so that he would end up in that rehab facility, meet Abaddon and be manipultaed into taking the walkabout bringing him to the Island, that now seems was his destiny all along.

        Now the cabin: again...who is Jacob really? Is he real or a spirit? Is Christian acting as a medium of some sort? Does Claire being in the cabin, sitting there all smug and odd mean that she is indeed dead? Is Christian dead? And how the hell will they "move the Island" and where to???

        Back on the freighter...we clearly see who the bad guy are. Lapidus wants to help...what else did he throw from the helicopter besides the homing device? If he wants the Beachies to follow him...what then? Another war will be waged I'm sure: Showdown in the Jungle style. Michael's time being alive seems short, yet he can't be killed. Even on the boat...no luck...I still think we will end up seeing that Michael is the mystery man in the coffin when all is said and done.

        Whoa....just so much to think about and I will have to give this episode another look-see.

        Can anyone list all the items Richard placed before young Locke during the test? And does anyone have some ideas as to what they signified?
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        • Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

          Fri, May 9, 2008 - 7:13 AM
          "But what was that test of "pick the items that already belong to you"? Immediately I said to myself, it's the knife...but as we saw, that was the wrong answer. You could see Richard's disappointment and almost hear the buzzer that signified "Thanks for playing and goodbye". It looked as if he wanted young John to pick the "Book of Laws". What was in that vial...some kind of grain? Sand?"

          Now I wish I'd recorded the episode to be able to go back and freeze-frame some of those parts. I assumed the vial was filled with the ash we've seen in a perimeter circle around Jacob's mysterious cabin, so it made perfect sense he'd choose it. But I also figured the knife would have "already" felt like belonged to him as well so was thrown a bit by Alpert's negative reaction. I wonder what is behind Alpert steering Locke away from the knife while Abaddon is steering him toward it? It is perhaps indeed a Subtle Knife.
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            Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

            Sun, May 11, 2008 - 8:21 AM
            It kind of seemed that John was supposed to pick the comic book. But the knife was on top of it and he picked it up first. Now I wonder if Ben was given a similar test at some point. And that he was chosen to come to the island and his father's job was just a cover to get him there. I am also wondering if Widmore was at some point the "chosen one" and that Ben replaced him. Widmore said the island is mine, like he was trying to get it back. And I also wonder if Aaron is in line to be the one to replace Locke at some point.

            I totally loved the scene where Hurley shared the candy bar with Ben. It was like two little boys waiting for their father to finish talking to someone inside the house.
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    Re: "Cabin Fever" 05/08/08 Episode 4.11 Discussion

    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 6:56 AM
    I loved this episode too. I am just really freaked out by how sinister Keamy has become. I mean this show has always had good guys and bad guys, but it seems Keamy is this seething meat-head.

    I love Locke and Sayid. They are brave rockstars. I also quite enjoyed how Ben and Locke seemed to have make peace with each other since the whole hostage situation and siege of the camp.