So I've been trying to figure out why they named the 3 other survivors they did (in the press conference): Charlie, Libby, and Boone.
I rewatched the finale tonight and the reason for Charlie being named suddenly became very obvious: Charlie spoke with Penny via the radio in The Looking Glass...so there were people off the Island (Penny's people and possibly others) who knew Charlie survived the initial crash. I believe that during the press conference they said that Charlie almost lived to the rescue. This would be a logical thing to say because they would be trying to fit him into the timeline during which he made contact with the outside world.
Now I am trying to figure out if there are equally obvious reasons for Boone and Libby to be named. Can anyone recall any incidents that would indicate Boone and Libby living beyond the initial crash?
My mind is boggling~
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I rewatched the finale tonight and the reason for Charlie being named suddenly became very obvious: Charlie spoke with Penny via the radio in The Looking Glass...so there were people off the Island (Penny's people and possibly others) who knew Charlie survived the initial crash. I believe that during the press conference they said that Charlie almost lived to the rescue. This would be a logical thing to say because they would be trying to fit him into the timeline during which he made contact with the outside world.
Now I am trying to figure out if there are equally obvious reasons for Boone and Libby to be named. Can anyone recall any incidents that would indicate Boone and Libby living beyond the initial crash?
My mind is boggling~
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Re: Oceanic 8: 5 live + 3 dead
Mon, June 2, 2008 - 10:19 AMI thought they might have mentioned Libby because she was so important to Hurley and he wanted it known that she had survived initially?
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 11:08 AMThat would make sense except for the fact that Penny is the one person who is keeping their whole secret so it doesn't matter if it was Charlie who made outside contact with her. The crew on her boat "The Searcher" must all be sworn to secrecy because otherwise how could they be pulling the whole thing off anyway? Penny must have that whole crew under her thumb or one of her crew folks could just tell everyone about how they pulled them out of the water and then dropped them off a week later eight hours away from the fishing village that they paddled to. -
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 1:20 PMI'll bet the Charlie logic was part of the reason they named him, but I'm sticking with my 'Hurley's choices' theory for the time being. -
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 4:04 PMdid i miss something? when did they refer to 3 or survivors by name in the press conference? -
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 4:08 PMThey re-aired Part 1 of "No Place Like Home" just prior to the 2 hr season finale. The re-aired episode included some extra footage during the press conference scene, and the most interesting bitt was Jack's naming of the other 3 initial crash survivors: Charlie, Boone & Libby. -
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 4:15 PMPS. I know how to spell "bit."
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 10:52 PMI would really love to know why they chose those three! -
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 11:30 PMIt's a great question, and I have no clue...
It could be a pragmatic decision though. Having a few people that initially survived only to die later makes the Oceanic 6's story more believable. -
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Tue, June 3, 2008 - 8:59 PMBoone was on the drug dealers' radio... but then, so was Bernard on the other end. -
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Tue, June 3, 2008 - 10:40 PMYes he was!!!! Awesome! I think we are onto something here!
For those who (like me) are taking a minute to figure out which drug dealers' radio, there was a radio inside the small Nigerian plane that Boone and Locke stumbled upon, and Boone radioed out just before the plane tumbled down the cliff! Pretty sure he gave his name and said he was a survivor of 815 just like Charlie did in The Looking Glass.
So that leaves Libby. What was her connection to the outside world post Island arrival? Think. Think. Think.
As for Bernard, Bernard is still alive, so that wouldn't be very nice to say he had survived and then died, now would it? All 3 people they named are dead. -
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Tue, June 3, 2008 - 11:46 PMYeah, but the voice on the other end was Bernard, and I don't think Boone identified himself by name, so it doesn't matter that he was on that radio. -
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 3:44 PMwasn't all radio transmission from the island blocked by the french broadcast? or do i have the time line screwed up? -
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 4:41 PM> wasn't all radio transmission from the island blocked by the french broadcast? or do i have the time line screwed up?
Good point. There seems to be a difference between on Island communications and off Island. The walkie talkies that the Others were using had no trouble, and the radio between Boone and Bernard. But Sayid had lots of trouble with signals off the Island and the Sat Phones used by the freighter crew had problems. -
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Wed, June 4, 2008 - 7:22 PM>There seems to be a difference between on Island communications and off Island. The walkie talkies that the Others were using had no trouble, and the radio between Boone and Bernard. But Sayid had lots of trouble with signals off the Island and the Sat Phones used by the freighter crew had problems.<
...and recall the night in the first or second season when down on the beach at the very end of an episode Hurley and Sayid caught a broadcast of what sounded like Big Band music from the 1940's, Sayid rationalized something about radio waves being able to bounce around in the ionosphere for decades and Hurley made some comment like "Dude, where are we ...and when?" foreshadowing the whole time-distortion aspect. So, the polarization of light and lag in Faraday's test rocket and radio time distortion could all be connected to the "unique properties of the island" ...or whatever it is that is actually behind the wall penetrated by the Dharma Wheel which Ben turned.
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Thu, June 5, 2008 - 2:30 PM<< I would really love to know why they chose those three!>>
I'm guessing it's to serve a couple of purposes...
1) To make the lie more believable by having a kind of detail that would be realistic given the premise.
2) To kind of assuage the guilt and grief that the 5 O6 adults feel about those particular deaths (Jack's 1st failure as surgeon to the castaways, Hurley's girlfriend, Charlie having sacrificed himself for all of them) by giving them a public "shout out" of sorts.
But I could be wrong...still, the O6 had a good, solid week on Penny's boat to work out their story. They must have had their reasons. -
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Fri, June 6, 2008 - 9:32 AMThey were probably just names the writers thought Jack would think of off the top of his head. -
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Fri, June 6, 2008 - 1:48 PMUltimately if the names were important then I think they probably would have been included in the episode that originally aired. The fact that they were willing to cut out that part would suggest that it doesn't have much bearing on the storyline and it could have been any three names. -
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Fri, June 6, 2008 - 2:11 PMit's just more meaningless information for people like us to endlessly debate the meaning of until the new season starts! LOL -
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Fri, June 6, 2008 - 3:19 PMNot necessarily. They could've been on the fence about whether to reveal that info or not. I wouldn't assume ANYTHING is meaningless. Especially as that was the specific nugget of info added in to the extended episode. To me, that makes it even less likely that the names are meaningless. -
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Fri, June 6, 2008 - 4:55 PMI won't say it's meaningless, but I wonder if it's less story-driven, and more a nod to previous seasons. That was the first thing that struck me about that list...Season 1 (Boone), Season 2 (Libby), Season 3 (Charlie). -
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Fri, June 6, 2008 - 5:19 PM> Season 1 (Boone), Season 2 (Libby), Season 3 (Charlie)
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Sat, June 7, 2008 - 12:17 AMOoh, I could be swayed by that! That sounds right.
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Mon, June 9, 2008 - 8:42 PMWell, another theory I've heard is a far more practical one: that the actors who play those roles have shown a willingness to come back for one-off guest shots as flashback characters, apparitions, and what-have-you, unlike certain others (I'm lookin' at you, AAA :-P ). -
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Mon, June 9, 2008 - 10:14 PMAlso very plausible. -
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Tue, June 10, 2008 - 8:16 AMAh, see now, I knew if we poked this topic with a stick long enough, Sonya would have an answer that applies to all 3~
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AAA=Mr. Eko?
What? You got a problem with invisible chess players???
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"On the next Oprah: Apparitions who Refuse to Apparate."
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Tue, June 10, 2008 - 2:22 PM<<AAA=Mr. Eko?>>
Indeedy! Much easier to type than his full name. Apparently, they wanted to do a bit more with his character during S.3, but he wanted out ASAP...or such is the skinny I hear. -
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Tue, June 10, 2008 - 6:08 PM>Indeedy! Much easier to type than his full name. Apparently, they wanted to do a bit more with his character during S.3, but he wanted out ASAP...or such is the skinny I hear.<
Have any reasons been given as to why "he wanted out ASAP"? In my admittedly naive-of-how-Hollywood-actually-works view it seems like ongoing lead roles in LOST would be highly desirable to just about any actor. Now, after reading this about AAA I wonder if some of the LOST actors are starting to become worried about only ever finding roles exactly like those they played on LOST, or becoming a LOST-only actor (as it seemed some of the actors on Star Trek became Star-Trek-only actors, for some reason).
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Tue, June 10, 2008 - 8:44 AMYep, it makes sense to me that it could be based on what actors can be worked with the easiest.
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Tue, June 10, 2008 - 4:43 PM>>So I've been trying to figure out why they named the 3 other survivors they did (in the press conference): Charlie, Libby, and Boone.
The actors who portray these characters are exceptionally attractive people, and some viewers such as for instance me would be more likely to tune in/re-watch if they were getting flashbacks, apparition scenes, or plot re-visitings. Whereas, say, Dr. Arzt.... not so much. -
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Tue, June 10, 2008 - 11:00 PMI remember reading somewhere here on Tribe back when Eko was killed off that it was because Adawale had some personal project he wanted to focus on. It was such a drag because he was such an interesting character etc., and it seemed wrong to kill him off so soon. He was lobbying to be released so he could go do some other thing that so far hasn't surfaced. -
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Wed, June 11, 2008 - 8:40 AMMovies can sometimes take years to make and from what I heard Adawale may have been working on something having to do with his native country which could mean it takes even longer so it is totally possible we may not see the fruit of his personal project surface for some time. -
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Wed, June 11, 2008 - 12:16 PMWith the interest American viewers (don't) show in foreign films, we may never get to see it. Well, I guess that's what they invented Netflix for.
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Wed, June 11, 2008 - 12:52 AMHaha! Joey K., you crack me up! You are indeed the most worthy moderator of the LOST Porn Tribe.
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